Ahaz Darkfall
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Posted - 2011.07.06 19:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Dealth Striker
The datacore has value. That value is what I determine based on the what I do with the datacore and for what reason(s) I do it. Everyone will make their own determination based on what they think the value should be and as such, will try to "tell"/"convince" others that their value is the one that should be used.
In answer to your scenario - it depends on the circumstances for me selling it for 200k ISK. If you provide me with parameters I could give you a better answer. Did I need the ISK right away, was I helping out the buyer, was I quitting and just wanted to sell my stuff, etc.?
Sorry but you are 100% wrong on this.
The value of the data core has nothing to do with what you do with it. The value is what you could get if you sold it, instead of used it in your own invention. It does not matter how you got it, or what you use it for. it has a set market value. That value may fluctuate with the market, but is the same for everyone. You say you could sell it for 200k or keep it and make a profit.
The problem is if you consider it with a value of 0 and make less than 200 isk profit from your end product you are in fact losing money. When deciding what to sell end products for you have to consider all components consumed at market value no matter what you paid for them. If what you sell the end product for is less than the market value of the consumables then, regardless of whether you made a profit getting some stuff for less than market value, or produced them yourself, you would have made more just selling the consumables, higher income and less work/time invested.
Far to many products in this game are selling for less than the market value of the consumables required to make them.
If you choose to ignore the market value of the data cores and other consumables you use to make your self believe you profits are higher, then you are only fooling yourself. True if you did not pay for some stuff, then you did technically make a profit. But you could have made way more just selling the raw materials. So you effectively lost that profit.
Lets consider another example to really get the point across. If you have a POS in high sec, and you mine ice and do PI enough to cover all the fuel, is that POS free to run? No it is not. True it does not cost you anything for the fuel, but the fuel has a market value. I planed on doing this myself. but to truly maximize your income you must consider the market value of the stuff you get that you didn't pay for.
For example; If I set up a POS and made all the fuel myself and mined ICE so I did not have to buy anything for it once I had the modules, and I made say 800 mil per month profit off what I was using the POS for after deducting my expenses, considering the POS fuel was "FREE". But the POS fuel is not free, even though I did not pay for it, I could have sold that POS fuel for 900 mil. 100 mil more than my profits from the POS. That means that for all the time and work I put into what ever I used the POS for was wasted, as I would have made 100 mil more by just selling the fuel and not even having the POS. Not to mention the money made from using that time for other things such as mission running or even mining.
I have run the numbers many times in the last few months trying to discover how other players could possibly be making money doing this. But in every scenario I have tried I can make significantly more money selling the POS fuel and raw materials in Jita than I could ever make using them to run my own POS for any purpose other than research.
Even using the POS for research requires at least 9 active characters(at least 3 accounts with all three characters on each trained for research) to keep the labs full 23/7 and actually turn a slight margin higher than I would have made just selling the Fuel, data cores, etc. to the market. It is a lot of work for only a slightly higher return than the no work alternative.
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